other memorable, roamer v evans, gay rights case from colorado. he does have one just about every term, and it's -- they are always vintage, and it was interesting, though, the idea that he would go outside the record and complain about president obama's order on young people who had been brought here with their parents illegally and undocumented, and he did get a lot of really negative press on it, and, in fact, people suggested he should step down, but, frankly, i think, he will still be doing what he does. >> guest: she's right about that. c-span: you will be doing what you do -- >> guest: what's this going outside the record stuff? c-span: that was at -- >> guest: imnumerable cases in which we cite newspaper articles, so many cases, there's no law you can't cite the record. if it's a factual matter up for decision, of course, you can only use the matter set forth in the record to determine the facts, but that's not the purpose for which i used it at all, and we use the public records all the time. the point i made this had nothing to do with t